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A very good, comprehensive and scarily realistic view of the potentially terminal vulnerabilities of the Western industrial base.

China has outplayed us, especially America that has spent decades training its best and brightest to become stock market gamblers and celebrity lawyers, on the assumption that the rest of the world would always make the dirty stuff on the cheap, and be delighted to sell it to Americans.

May I add some observations:

The first is the similar and parallel situation with energy, which is a key factor in both extracting and processing all of the other materials. As Trump commits America to fossil fuels, the net EROEI is sliding towards zero. Even now, fracking wells are using solar power to run pumps and equipment, just to try to keep the EROEI in positive territory.

At the same time, China is using its remaining coal and imported cheap oil and gas to build it's nuclear and renewable infrastructure, expecting to be out of fossils by 2050. The Chinese renewables prices per kWh are already less than half American electricity prices, and the extra demand from the A.I. Centres will make that worse because of the 7 to 10 year time gap to build more capacity.

This means America simply does not have the energy to take on more processing, and the energy is much more expensive so China can always undercut it on price anyway. In a country like America that leaves all such decisions to the markets, then investors will simply keep their wallets shut!

Lastly, I have seen much comment about recycling old solar panels for the silver. First point is the energy required to remove the panels,transport them to a central point, and process them to recover tiny amounts of silver and process the other waste materials. I would be interesting in the labour and energy cost of this process relative to the value of the silver recovered, especially as American energy costs continue to rise as EROEI declines.

But the second point is this; old solar panels generally continue to produce maybe 60% power for a long time, so the imagined and theoretical cut-off point to replace them with new will not be so clear cut - most people will hold off before the major reinvestment in new panels. And there is the next problem - if you replace old panels with their silver with new panels with their silver, how much net silver do you end up with, and at what energy cost?

Back in 1972 The Club of Rome produced 'The Limits to Growth' on a computer model that must have had the computing power of a modern digital wristwatch. Whilst the model's timing was out, the structure of the resources crisis it indicated was, it seems, very accurate.

The computer program was revisited in 1992 and 2004 with startlingly similar results and a more accurate timeline, that forecast worldwide resource shortages starting......about now!

One last point for Americans; if Trump starts wars as he plans, starting with Venezuela this year, that will fit China's agenda perfectly because American military suppliers will run into their essential materials problems even faster. All Xi has to say is "Stay out of Taiwan or I tun off the tap!" and the humiliation will destroy American credibility.

Then the American military will be training flint-knappers for their future arsenal! 🙂

Mark delmege's avatar

brilliant

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